Comments on: Caveman lunch with taleb http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/ the curious study of broken things Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:46:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Nassim Taleb, Evolutionary Fitness and The Sunday Times » knackeredhack http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-21241 Nassim Taleb, Evolutionary Fitness and The Sunday Times » knackeredhack Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:04:43 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-21241 [...] Interestingly, the interview by Bryan Appleyard included lunch and, naturally, had Nassim following Art De Vany’s dietary prescriptions of evolutionary fitness. Well, some of my most loyal readers will have heard it here first. [...] […] Interestingly, the interview by Bryan Appleyard included lunch and, naturally, had Nassim following Art De Vany’s dietary prescriptions of evolutionary fitness. Well, some of my most loyal readers will have heard it here first. […]

]]> By: knackeredhack http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-754 knackeredhack Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:34:44 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-754 Stuart If I've understood him correctly, his major complaint is about lots of long slow aerobic exercise. There should also be much more idleness in the mix. He emphasises weights too. As runners, we'll tend not to do that, and I was disinclined to when I first read him. I don't go to gyms. I'm starting now to focus more on core training, which can seem a bit boring. When what you want to do is run and are trying to fit in a marathon training programme, these other things get neglected in favour of mileage. I think that is where it becomes unbalanced in his evolutionary fitness view. I still intend to run one or two more marathons in the next year or so, and that could mitigate against a more rounded and varied workout regime. I have an article I may write up which advises you can drop up to 20% of your endurance training for strength training and reap significant competitive benefits, with no loss of endurance performance, suggesting that the need for mileage has been overstated in training programmes before now. There was some research I wrote up <a href="http://knackeredhack.com/2007/04/25/marathon-running-for-the-hunter-or-the-haunted/ " rel="nofollow">here</a> and which de Vany commented on too, where he thought it consistent with his view in some respects. Stuart

If I’ve understood him correctly, his major complaint is about lots of long slow aerobic exercise. There should also be much more idleness in the mix. He emphasises weights too. As runners, we’ll tend not to do that, and I was disinclined to when I first read him. I don’t go to gyms. I’m starting now to focus more on core training, which can seem a bit boring. When what you want to do is run and are trying to fit in a marathon training programme, these other things get neglected in favour of mileage.

I think that is where it becomes unbalanced in his evolutionary fitness view. I still intend to run one or two more marathons in the next year or so, and that could mitigate against a more rounded and varied workout regime. I have an article I may write up which advises you can drop up to 20% of your endurance training for strength training and reap significant competitive benefits, with no loss of endurance performance, suggesting that the need for mileage has been overstated in training programmes before now.

There was some research I wrote up here and which de Vany commented on too, where he thought it consistent with his view in some respects.

]]> By: Stuart Buck http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-753 Stuart Buck Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:35:15 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-753 What I don't get is that de Vany seems to assume that each running workout needs to be stochastic, in and of itself. Hence, short variable sprints > long slow runs. But why need that be the case? As for myself, my week as a whole is very stochastic. Much of the time is sitting at the computer. But then Saturdays, a long slow run (long for me: 7-10 miles). Once during the week: a shorter slow run (3 to 3.5 miles). One day of faster mile repeats (3 times one mile at a 6:45-7:15 pace). One day where I run this 3.4 mile hill route, by doing repeats of 4 minute intervals with one minute rest. Why isn't that stochastic, taken as a whole? What I don’t get is that de Vany seems to assume that each running workout needs to be stochastic, in and of itself. Hence, short variable sprints > long slow runs. But why need that be the case? As for myself, my week as a whole is very stochastic. Much of the time is sitting at the computer. But then Saturdays, a long slow run (long for me: 7-10 miles). Once during the week: a shorter slow run (3 to 3.5 miles). One day of faster mile repeats (3 times one mile at a 6:45-7:15 pace). One day where I run this 3.4 mile hill route, by doing repeats of 4 minute intervals with one minute rest. Why isn’t that stochastic, taken as a whole?

]]> By: ultra-marathon runner tells all at the knackered hack http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-547 ultra-marathon runner tells all at the knackered hack Tue, 29 May 2007 09:22:13 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-547 [...] as the Knackered Hack is losing his faith in marathon running, he’s unlikely to find the example of American endurance runner Dean Karnazes as [...] […] as the Knackered Hack is losing his faith in marathon running, he’s unlikely to find the example of American endurance runner Dean Karnazes as […]

]]> By: knackered hackette http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-473 knackered hackette Fri, 25 May 2007 14:35:36 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-473 <blockquote> I think you will enjoy Nassim's discussion with the blogger at KnackeredHack.com during his Lunch with Taleb. I did." - Art De Vany on his blog, www.arthurdevany.com Thanks Prof De Vany!

I think you will enjoy Nassim’s discussion with the blogger at KnackeredHack.com during his Lunch with Taleb. I did.” - Art De Vany on his blog, http://www.arthurdevany.com

Thanks Prof De Vany!

]]> By: Caveman lunch with taleb - part 2 at the knackered hack http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-408 Caveman lunch with taleb - part 2 at the knackered hack Mon, 21 May 2007 13:40:13 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-408 [...] the idea of variability. As Taleb described in his approach to exercise [see the first post on my Caveman lunch with Taleb] which draws on de Vany’s ideas of evolutionary fitness, fixed routines are bad if not [...] […] the idea of variability. As Taleb described in his approach to exercise [see the first post on my Caveman lunch with Taleb] which draws on de Vany’s ideas of evolutionary fitness, fixed routines are bad if not […]

]]> By: simon Fellows http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-344 simon Fellows Fri, 18 May 2007 16:57:00 +0000 http://knackeredhack.com/2007/05/15/caveman-lunch-with-taleb/#comment-344 Sir have read at this, below, and see where Stemm issues the most hilarious statement vis their skills at locating and others ! BTW If you never read Intuition Its powers and Perils by David Myers i'd do so. Far far more interesting i found than Talebs book. And Myers prose and wondrous examples speaks volumes more than NNT's perpetual droning about things that are perfectly obvious to anyone with 'alf a brain. BTW as per previous your site and writings are really very super;many thanks yr time and efforts Sir http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070518/treasure-ship Sinc. Simon (Fellows) Sir have read at this, below, and see where Stemm issues the most hilarious statement vis their skills at locating and others !

BTW If you never read Intuition Its powers and Perils by David Myers i’d do so.
Far far more interesting i found than Talebs book.
And Myers prose and wondrous examples speaks volumes more than NNT’s perpetual droning about things that are perfectly obvious to anyone with ‘alf a brain.

BTW as per previous your site and writings are really very super;many thanks yr time and efforts Sir

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070518/treasure-ship

Sinc.

Simon (Fellows)

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